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Post by barryjhealy on Mar 1, 2013 13:20:55 GMT -5
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Post by 420 on Mar 1, 2013 13:43:29 GMT -5
Cant open your link.
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Post by Mark (EC,IN) on Mar 1, 2013 13:45:08 GMT -5
I assume the rich live the best. Then the welfare folks would be next Then the poor dumb bastard who goes to work each day to support the bunch in the middle would live the worse. Guess we should take more from the top....to feed the middle....to help the bottom tier.
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Post by Mark (EC,IN) on Mar 1, 2013 13:45:38 GMT -5
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Post by barryjhealy on Mar 1, 2013 13:49:56 GMT -5
I assume the rich live the best. Then the welfare folks would be next Then the poor dumb bastard who goes to work each day to support the bunch in the middle would live the worse. Guess we should take more from the top....to feed the middle....to help the bottom tier. I am just thinking about when there is no middle class...what happens to capitalism...how does it succeed...
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Post by 420 on Mar 1, 2013 13:56:46 GMT -5
With out a middle class to consume goods our system fails. If your "rich" taxes arent as much of a problem,as you can invest in machinery,labor etc, to trim your tax bill,the poor and middle dont have that option.
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Post by barryjhealy on Mar 1, 2013 16:44:16 GMT -5
Why would a corporation want to wage a war on labor if in the long run(30 yrs)it would decimate the middle class and cripple their ability to purchase the very goods they helped produce...doesnt seem sustainable to me...
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Post by 420 on Mar 2, 2013 17:11:10 GMT -5
The easiest way to instant profit increase is to trim labor costs.
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Post by kwestfarms on Mar 2, 2013 17:19:15 GMT -5
Remember.......everything geared to current stock price.....next quarterly report , etc. No long range thinking or plan in todays business model. John
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Post by barryjhealy on Mar 2, 2013 17:23:15 GMT -5
If I used that model of business on my place I would be out of business....I keep remembering the saying"Greed is the achilles heal of capitalism"
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Post by MarlandS on Mar 3, 2013 1:04:23 GMT -5
It would appear to me that the tax model promoted by the current administration's party is tagging the job producers who, would be the most effected by the tax increase, the 80%-96% .
Let's be honest , putting a full 50% tax ( or more) with no loopholes or shelters would not hinder the lifestyles of those top 4% . However , the capitalist in me can not promote such a plan , it's just idle thoughts . I mean, it's not like the top 4% got to where they are through award , rather than their own business acumen .
I'll further add , I rather enjoy reading articles that promote the jealousy festering in the lower classes against the top wealth holders . Why can't they go out and try it for themselves .
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Post by barryjhealy on Mar 3, 2013 15:37:07 GMT -5
The very acumen that you speak of has over the years been used to dodge taxes and lobby officials to further their wealth in my opinion...which is fine I guess. But what if that same business savy was used to promote new and ingenious products and help advance technology without losing sight of the labor that has helped produce their vast wealth...both ways they are gaining wealth but only by keeping a strong middle class will sustain the capitalism that made this country great.
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Post by 420 on Mar 3, 2013 17:34:53 GMT -5
Seems to me we have relatively low taxes,there is a huge money supply,yet corporations are cutting back to save money,but corporate profits are good.Maybe we need to get rid of the minimum wage and welfare for anyone over 18,that would put everybody to work,crash wages,then after a deflationary spiral,we are good to go,right? Or to avoid higher taxes,corporations hire more workers.
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Post by MarlandS on Mar 3, 2013 19:55:02 GMT -5
Barry , yep you are correct , but , knowing who to leverage, who to bribe is a part of it .
The exploiting workers thing , doesn't really wash with me over all because if they are that bad of pricks to their employees they soon wouldn't have employees . Note that I speak in terms of the last 20-30 years time span even though it probably took a lot longer than that for many to reach the top 4%.
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