Liquid starter...corn

[kwestfarms]

Liquid starter corn.....talking 2by2 application...not in furrow or pop-up as known up here in the North.
How many gallons of what are you applying ? Formulation..N P and K or just N and P ? Mixing diff. products...10 - 34 , 28 , 32 or applying complete formulations.....9 - 18 - 9.....6 - 24 - 6 ?

What works best in your situation John

[kwestfarms]

Help me out here.....trying to develop a good results , yet reasonable cost starter program. Yes , I know dry is cheaper...went to liquid to make it easier physically for an "old guy " to do . John

[420]

In the past we used 10 gal of 28% N. If I were doing it now,I would like to add 10-34-0 to the N.
My perfect starter would be 20-20-0,which used to be available here. I would add sulfur.
No-tillers should go with the 10- 34, for more P, IMHO.

[Topshot]

I've used straight 28% at about 12 gals/ac and some half and half with 10-34-0 but the last couple of years went to about 3/4 28% and 1/4 10-34-0. Last year I used 20 gal 28% and 3 gal 10-34-0. Going to cut back some on that so I don't have to move so much material at planting. The reason I used such high rate on starter was to see if it helped any to get more in the ground as I don't side dress any----it's all sprayed on with herbicide after planting. Most I've talked to who have side dressed and also sprayed it on the top haven't seen any difference "here" so I just have it sprayed on.

[kwestfarms]

Have decided to go with something pretty close to your plan....Topshot. I am putting on 20 gal. total , so willgo with15-16 28% and4-5 of 10-34. Now have to find source of 10 - 34.....not too many stock up here. Mostliquid app's up here are pop-up [in furrow] not 2 by 2.

420 : I am including AMS at at least 100lbs/acre in dry bulk spread along with 100 46-0-0, 100 18-46-0and 100to150 0-0-60. And more N with spray or dry side-dressing.

Thats the plan....hope the weather cooperates. John

[barryjhealy]

John...have you done any varible rate 28% side dressing...looking for input on that...

[kwestfarms]

Barry : I'm guessing you are talking about variable rate side dressing according to soil type or soil tests or yield maps ?? I don't know of anyone in this area doing that. Some of this new tech stuff shows up a little late in this area. I know of only one farmer planting with auto-steer . The big freestall dairys in this area are probably the most progressive in adapting the latest technology.
We have an occasional poster on here from the Edgar area east of me , who might be interested in adding more on this.

I cash crop a few acres with older paid for "junk " and parttime feed for dairy......kind of semi-retired
. John

[barryjhealy]

Yes John...thats what I am looking to do...just bought a side dress rig with VRT on it and have been building management zones for 3 yrs now....looking for insight on putting down 28% within those zones...

[kwestfarms]

Barry ,just wondering.....are your management zones based primarily on soil types and past yields or drainage areas[which would relate back to soil types , I suppose] or other variables ??

I suspect my fields are a lot smaller than yours. Try to keep like problems in same field...say , if have drainage problems in large field may separate that area into diff. field and farm differently...diff. rotation allowing diff. treatment of that area. ....John

[bentover]

Kwest

I don't know if you are talking about me or not. I have some friends that use Applications of 28%.
Like Kwest I will be using Liquid starter and pop-up I've used pop-up for the last couple years but not variable rate I was using dry fertilizer in a 2 x2 application... This year I will be using 9-18-9 popup Zinc ascend Plus some counter on the long time cxc acres.I plant Pioneer and Dekalb but not many varieties with Root worm control. I will be applying 10 gal of 28% and 6 gal of10-34-0 with thio-sulfate.2x2

On the high fertility fields I will side dress 28% when corn is about 10 inches plus tall.

poorer fields will get some urea down plus some dap and K20 in addition.. Personal opinion is that variable rate 28% sidedress is tough to justify you will have had fields grid-sampled and mapping done before doing variable rate application.

BJH You and I have had a few discussions on AGWEB P and P threads. I live near Edgar so I think that Kwest was talking about me

If I'm that guy ask away I'll answer but not really all that bright

Bentover aka KH

[kwestfarms]

Bent/KH... Right , you are the Edgar one I was talking about. Post above , got the impression you thought I was using pop-up. No..I am all bulk spread dry....liquid starter 2by 2.... and 28% side-dress and/or sometimes urea side-dress.

A question...getting your 10 - 34 from Harmony ?? Looking to have the makings of the old cold-wet Spring again. Did you up-date planter? Was not aware you had 2 by 2 liquid set-up. John

[bentover]

John Give me a call if you still have my Number or call HArmony They Know what it is 223 2308

New people in office there at times Lots of changes going on there

kh

[barryjhealy]

Well KH...let me start by sayin sorry for not picking up on sarcasm in our discussions on Ag Web...I am pretty good at communicating in person but these typed words sometimes dont run thru the proper filters...well onward and upward...I have mapped and established management zones in these fields and am just looking for input from experienced guys who may have something to say about VRT sidedressing(good or bad)...trying to spoon feed this N and help manage loss while making gains in higher producing areas...thanks in advance on any info...

[bentover]

Barry You might give ECI a private message.. He might sound rather uneducated but he is working with the University of Purdue. He is spoon feeding 28% with his Hagie.
He seems to have his ducks in a row. No sarcasm there. He is a MUCH BETTER TALKER THAN A TYPER
A neighbor I work for has run numerous plots in conjunction with Harmony Co-op. They have a really good agronomist who should be on his own working with top notch farmers instead of a Co-op guy.

We have used variable rate of 28% surface applied, several times thru the growing season. We saw a difference if N applied early before cob length and girth was determined. Very liittle benefit from late application IMHO. I don't know how effective variable rate of 28% knifed before knee high There are so many variables you can't control If moisture is good and timely extra N will help the yield no matter what the soil test. If you are really set up you could use color sensing of the corn while applying 28%
The Nitrogen requirements of corn can not be measured
accurately with soil tests or tissue tests to make variable rates work. Ihave bought a different planter and once I have everything mapped to work on this moniter I might try variable rates of fertilizer in 2x2
So far I will just be trying to learn the basics and get the corn at the right depth and uniformity. I might vary my population depending on soil type and how optomistic I feel when planting. Around here there are too many times where everything looks great and about the 4th of July the rain stops and SHTF

If you have a desire to chat with out a keyboard ask and I'll send you my phone number

Bentover