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Post by MarlandS on Feb 24, 2012 11:29:43 GMT -5
That's what i thought.
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Post by Rich© on Feb 24, 2012 14:58:48 GMT -5
hmmm wonder if I am supposed to have a number when I use my F350 on the vac trailer ? The vac isn't plated although it's ball hitched, with brakes and all the lights but no suspension . DMV wouldn't register it since there's no ID number on the trailer and said we couldn't use the serial numbers off the engine or vac since they could be swapped out , and since it wasn't home made they wouldn't title and plate it as such. Their grand plan was for me to wait until I got a ticket and have a judge tell me how to do it . So, since it's classified as a farm implement I shouldn't need a number right ? If it's truly a farm implement, by Ks rules you do not need a number or tag on it. (remember, I'm speaking from KS rules and I do not know or claim to know how they translate into other states). Thing I want to know though Marland is if you travel down the highway with it pulling it over 35 mph and you have tires on it that you pay excise tax on and it operates with lights that are necessary and functional for taxed highway operation, why would it be considered an implement instead of a trailer? I'd read how the paperwork has it categorized. If it is truly considered a trailer.... someone on the end that built it is gonna get in hot water before you will. Especially if it was sold new like that. (If you bought it used and it was made into a trailer then thats another story..... it's been converted from factory setup and that nulls and voids the original factory intent). Again though... Kansas is the only place I know this applys for certain. Your territory may be different.
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Post by MarlandS on Feb 24, 2012 15:10:04 GMT -5
It's factory . Rem has a document where they say it's an implement yada yada . I had actually considered swapping the ball hitch to pin just to remove most of the doubt but, i think the ball is safer . See if this works
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Post by bcreech on Feb 25, 2012 6:23:39 GMT -5
Marland , My inline hay trailers are the same way they have NO title but have gooseneck hitches,lights,brakes and everything my stock trailers have but they are considered farm implements have never been stopped with it However I did get stopped monday by the HP with a stock trailer going 68 in a 55 and he just wrote me a warning he never mentioned not having a license plate on the stock trailer (it was somewhere in the truck I am sure)
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Post by MarlandS on Feb 25, 2012 7:27:49 GMT -5
That's kinda what I was seeing with it Bcreech , and I guess I clouded my question with too many details. Would a ton truck pulling something considered a farm implement be required to have the DOT number ?
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Post by ilweedman on Feb 25, 2012 8:40:19 GMT -5
Just paid the state of Iowa for being there a week ago. My 3/4 ton pickup gvw at 8600 and gooseneck flatbed Gavilon at 20000. Got me for no logbook, no dot number, 2 tires on trailer, no flares, no annual inspection on truck or trailer and trailer emergency brake cable broken. $127.00 fine for logbook. Warning on rest. Automatic audit. Now all my pickups must display numbers and yes opens us to all regs on phones.
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Post by iadave on Feb 25, 2012 9:27:57 GMT -5
I know that anything over 26,000 requires a cdl but other than that you will probably be up to the discretion of the officer. 2 things about Iowa. 1 Just because an officer tells you a law doesn't mean it is. The second thing is there are some gray rules on pickups and trailers. One of them is if the trailers is used only occasionally for business use you only have to plate the pickup for the portion of the weight on the pickup. If your rig is used more than occasionally then the pickup has to be plated for the weight of the whole rig. Hence I think my 3 ton plate on my pickup is adequate for pulling my hopper bottom trailer full of corn, as long as the dolly doesn't put more that 250 lbs on the pickup.( My pickup weighs roughly 5750). However it is not adequate if I pull my car trailer empty down the highway every day to work.
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Post by ilweedman on Feb 25, 2012 10:52:09 GMT -5
I happened to have 2 empty anhydrous tanks on board. About 16000# I'm guessing. Had a Missouri 12000# plate on my truck and 24000# plate on trailer. Blew a tire a half mile in front of him. My company has a dot number but didn't have them on my salesman pickups. Do now though.
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Post by Dave-ECIA on Feb 27, 2012 9:06:32 GMT -5
In Iowa, we have a SME, or Special Mobile Equipment tag. It's mainly set up for contractors that have trailer mounted equipment used in their jobsites. It allows for moving between jobsites without all the regulations of "over the road" trailers.
Since a vac isn't hauling anything, just used on the job, I think it would qualify for a SME tag.
Might check to see if Illinois has something similar.
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Post by 7150 on Mar 2, 2012 22:21:03 GMT -5
Sharp lookin rig Marland.
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