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Post by thirsty on Sept 18, 2011 16:47:07 GMT -5
What am I missing here? 120 acres hay, the rest in bush I assume, no road access-that might be an issue??? $41,900 for the whole quarter: www.realtor.ca/propertyDetails.aspx?propertyId=10582592&PidKey=121127183Sure it gets cold up there earlier and you can see frost right into late June, but thats decent soil, and they actually get rain unlike south Sask. This is something very easy to buy (in my case), without debt, just out of cashflow I generate in my const. company. Is this something I should be interested in or am I missing something here???
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Post by thirsty on Sept 18, 2011 16:51:02 GMT -5
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Post by thirsty on Sept 18, 2011 16:55:40 GMT -5
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Post by thirsty on Sept 18, 2011 16:59:39 GMT -5
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Post by thirsty on Sept 18, 2011 17:03:10 GMT -5
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Post by ses on Sept 18, 2011 17:19:48 GMT -5
Dumbass me, I guess. I didn't know Canadian land was divided in to acres. I figured they were hectars like the rest of the world. Are Canadians on the metric system? Sorry if I sound like a dilrod. Just never thought about it I suppose.
BTW You should buy all of that stuff. After the collapse that will be the go to place. Cold enough to keep the riff raff out. Plus you have all those bears and mooses and jitt you can put in the freezer.
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Post by ses on Sept 18, 2011 17:21:57 GMT -5
Thirsty, that 133 acre deal said it would hold 15 cow/calf pairs for the season. How long is the season?
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Post by thirsty on Sept 18, 2011 17:41:42 GMT -5
Hey ses, we use both imperial and metric up here. I have projects denominated in feet/inches and in meters and cubic meters. Most commercial/industrial is in metric, I don't know of a residential homebuilder who doesn't build in imperial. Most people use pounds when talking about body weight, same with height. Speeds are always a mixed bag, signs are in metric but people still do the conversion to miles and tell stories in imperial. I rarely hear land measured in metric, all Ag is quantified in acres, forestry might be the exception since the Japs (Mitsui) own half our forests and I believe they talk in Hectares.
As for seasons, they vary, I reckon that 133 acre offer gets a good four months of growth (mid-May thru mid September). I can't recall for the life of me what a cow/calf pair were charged at for pasture, I think I remember a buddy of mine was charging $8 per month for feeder steers on his own quarter, but that is minutes out of Calgary. Out in the boondocks in Sask. its anybody's guess.
I'm thinking more and more of becoming the Canadian version of Faust. I think Sask. farmland is the cheapest deal on the planet and like gold a decade ago, incredibly underpriced. I'm closer to pulling the trigger, and need a little more focus. Anything you wish to add is more than helpful, it also appreciated.
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Post by ses on Sept 18, 2011 17:51:29 GMT -5
I dunno Thirsty but if he was getting $8 per steer that should be close to $18-20 per pair. $80 per season on land that sells for less than $300 per acre looks pretty cheap to me with cattle prices like they are. I suppose with grain prices like they are cropland would be a better deal, maybe. I agree it looks cheap.
Now you have me all hot and bothered, I might have to become Canadian. lol.
What's the winters like? Feeding cows for 8 months of a year would get kinda old.
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Post by MarlandS on Sept 18, 2011 18:43:13 GMT -5
Last night a friend that lives in southern Sask , said unemployment was in negatives up that way , something like 9,000 jobs available in Sask alone . It sure is tempting to pull up stakes and move up there , but i don't speak Canadian well enough to get along. Oh yeah , EH ?
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Post by thirsty on Sept 18, 2011 19:15:28 GMT -5
sesI think most ranchers are feeding as weather demands. I'm thinking the average is less than six months a year and probably down to two months a year during El Nino years. I know a lot of guys tend to get rid of a lot of their steers right about now, the auctions get busy starting in October, sometimes a little later if we get an extended Indian Summer. Its also dependent where you are. Down south here we get insane chinooks, you can see thirty degree celsius temperate changes in hours flat. That keeps the snow off the ground and your not spending your life february/march digging calves out of six foot snowbanks. Up north or east of Regina is a different story altogether. They get real winters, much like North Dakota, six months or longer....
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Post by thirsty on Sept 18, 2011 19:22:15 GMT -5
Last night a friend that lives in southern Sask , said unemployment was in negatives up that way , something like 9,000 jobs available in Sask alone . It sure is tempting to pull up stakes and move up there , but i don't speak Canadian well enough to get along. Oh yeah , EH ? Thats about the size of it. Sask is Alberta fifteen years ago in regards to how cheap land is and potential. They still have ownership laws that prohibit foreigners from owning over 10 acres. I think that is getting worked out now, we have been bringing in thousands and thousands of 'temporary' foreign workers from south of the medicine line (US). I'm betting labour and land ownership are the last negotiations to being ironed out before we go full NAU. I think at that point you'll see Sask farmland catch up price wise to equivalent land south of the border, nevermind Alberta. Sask got world record potash and uranium mines, Bakken oil field, coal, gold and timber. Its gonna be a helluva a century for those guys now that they elected a pro-market guy to the Provincial legislature. I reckon in a decade, give or take you guys will have a shot at whats to offer there, I wanna get in on the bottom floor before the elevator leaves for the penthouse suite. ;D
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Post by looter on Sept 18, 2011 21:41:12 GMT -5
Wow.... Cheaper than smoke is right.
On that hay ground, what sort of tonnage can one expect? 3 ton/acre?
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Post by thirsty on Sept 18, 2011 23:07:45 GMT -5
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Post by looter on Sept 19, 2011 9:01:49 GMT -5
Is alfalfa roughly worth $150/ton up there? Expenses on putting up 2 ton of alfalfa per year are nominal....
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