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Post by jrtheoriginal on Sept 4, 2011 6:55:54 GMT -5
Farmers usually put up their haylage to wet and their corn silage to dry..........
AN old boy I learend a lot about forges from always said this to me. Over the years I have found this to be true what do you guys think?
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Post by wctyilfarmer on Sept 4, 2011 7:07:25 GMT -5
we have haylage, but no corn silage, so I don't know.
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Post by pldairy on Sept 4, 2011 8:28:01 GMT -5
your right Jr, but we do stat corn silage to wet some times
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Post by toughguy on Sept 4, 2011 15:20:24 GMT -5
Location and weather seam to prove if that's true. Many other factor's also but those 2 seam to be the main ones for us. If the test plot people come on Tuesday like they say corn silage is going to be wet regardless if it's this week or next but their research is worthless if it's too dry.
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Post by RickNCMD on Sept 11, 2011 20:29:34 GMT -5
Judge your corn silage by the ear and you cant go wrong. If you need a kernal procesor, your cutting to dry.
Haylage, to cut it right everthing gums up with sap, modern methods work best if its cut a little green.
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Post by glowplug on Sept 11, 2011 21:08:16 GMT -5
I always used whole plant moisture as the guide. Depending upon the weather, tall grain hybrids would lost 1/2 point per day sometimes. But the tall silage only hybrids like Jungs HDS, dried slower so me with the NH 770 chopper could get 'er done without it getting too dry on me. Took me a week of good going to fill my uprights. The nightmare silage harvests were when it rained a lot.
Appears there's showers coming Monday (though dman could miss us???). Then turning cold. Gawsh I'd hate to have a killing frost this week...............
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Post by jrtheoriginal on Sept 12, 2011 4:47:56 GMT -5
Judge your corn silage by the ear and you cant go wrong. If you need a kernal procesor, your cutting to dry. Haylage, to cut it right everthing gums up with sap, modern methods work best if its cut a little green. Boy do I agre with that statement about corn! I custom shop and all I can say is very little good corn put up this year! I chopped some on Fri. that was down and dead! The stuff that was standing will be ready to shell in 3 weeks. IT was all I could do to keep the chopper cool as I was going into my wagons and into a bag. Couldn't keep the chaff out of the radiator. What a pain! |
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Post by Sofakingwhat on Sept 12, 2011 10:56:06 GMT -5
'Bout the same here, Glowplug, when we had a reason for silage. Before the cows went down the road in 2003, corn silage was as high as we could get it in the dug-out bunker before the track loader that finished the packing started getting tipsy. That sure was tough getting out with a skid loader (Case 1845, 1845C, then NH LS170) Haylage got water added regardless at the blower going into 20x80 with a big jim in it. After cows, stopped using the bunker as much, only about ten feet deep, built an extended hole former, and filled the 20x80. Both before and after the departure of those damned cows, filled a few ag bags usually 9x250 and 300's with snaplage. Everything went through the old Sperry NH 900. Other than snaplage, that thing could cover some serious ground. With 105hp on the three 18 foot wagons, filling bunker and bags, I could just barely keep up with the chopper. Filling silo, the wagon puller had no chance keeping up to me in the chopper. Snaplage was the only thing that ever went in dry, and a couple times we added propionic to that as well.
Jung's has always been the seed of choice in corn. Last year it competed very well with same day DeKalb, too.
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Post by jrtheoriginal on Sept 13, 2011 4:44:39 GMT -5
Rick I thought about it and I need to add a qualifier. First in a bunker silo I agree in staves and in Harvestores I think there is great value in having a processor. But that processor doesn't make up for bad management. It only makes good management better!
I have guys now who are wanting corn choped that has been dead for two weeks and that stuff doesn't ferment well at all! A processor doesn't make it better silage it makes the corn more digestible!
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Post by jrtheoriginal on Sept 13, 2011 4:46:47 GMT -5
I always used whole plant moisture as the guide. Depending upon the weather, tall grain hybrids would lost 1/2 point per day sometimes. But the tall silage only hybrids like Jungs HDS, dried slower so me with the NH 770 chopper could get 'er done without it getting too dry on me. Took me a week of good going to fill my uprights. The nightmare silage harvests were when it rained a lot. Appears there's showers coming Monday (though dman could miss us???). Then turning cold. Gawsh I'd hate to have a killing frost this week............... Ome thing tho g;o. With these longer stay greens on these hybrids the kernels get harder and more mature while the corn is green as grass. So you have to watch kerenls too! |
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Post by RickNCMD on Sept 13, 2011 19:52:56 GMT -5
Another thing, most hybrids are developed for grain. A grain hybrid is totally on the wrong end of what a dairy needs. Old hybrids with new gentics are the best dairy hydrids, something with a slow grain dry down is the best. We ran a processor for 2 seasons and decided that the extra fuel and reduced capacity was hurting us worse then not having processed corn silage. With that being said, we do run rasp bars under the knives and a shred bar in the chopper body bottom. We are achieving about 90% of what a processor does and we have no extra moving parts to maintain. We are 100% bunker and do cut a little on the wet side. If we had a harvestor silo, a processor would be mandatory.
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Post by glowplug on Sept 13, 2011 23:18:16 GMT -5
Rick, you nailed it.
Grain hybrids are bred to have stiff stalks with lots of lignin so they stand well. Silage hybrids have thin rinds on the stalk, lower lignin for better digestibility.
Grain hybrids are bred for high test weight, hard kernels, fast drydown. Silage hybrids are bred for slow drydown, soft textured kernels for digestibility. Silage hybrids have 7 more leaves above the ear than grain hybrids.
That's why I prefered the Jungs Highly Digestible Silage varieties back when I was milking cows. Just screening for kernel passage in the manure will prove that tall grain hybrids aren't the same as silage specific hybrids.
Glowplug
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