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Post by thirsty on Oct 20, 2011 7:27:29 GMT -5
Booze and hookers....
;D
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Post by thirsty on Oct 20, 2011 7:34:47 GMT -5
I assume your prediction of "crude with a five in front of it" just went out the window. It won't be long, maybe before the election, when the fool in charge will place a huge export tax on crude. BTW you guy's thoughts of stockpiling for war is a bit disturbing. Might be stockpiled for civil war. IMO things are going to get pucking ugly. US citizens won't willingly give up their "one man driving a dually pickup" while the rest of the world piles fifteen people in the back of a Toyota ,without a fight. There is no stopping this trend over the long term, its all in the geology. In an era of resource constraints oil will flow to where it is used the most effeciently. My feeling is there is a quid pro quo that has oil imported into the US, refined and then exported to where it is used most wisely, as otherwise there would be massive under-utilization of perfectly functional refineries. Weird scenes inside the goldmine....
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Post by looter on Oct 20, 2011 8:00:14 GMT -5
I assume your prediction of "crude with a five in front of it" just went out the window. It won't be long, maybe before the election, when the fool in charge will place a huge export tax on crude. BTW you guy's thoughts of stockpiling for war is a bit disturbing. Might be stockpiled for civil war. IMO things are going to get pucking ugly. US citizens won't willingly give up their "one man driving a dually pickup" while the rest of the world piles fifteen people in the back of a Toyota ,without a fight. Ya, I guess its time to quit holding my breath for "5" oil on Valentine's Day Dammit. Another run-of-the-mill war isn't going to pull this country together. It would take an attack by an outside force. Otherwise the OWS folks are gonna point to the bailout Trillions and say, "now where is mine?" While the Tea Party faction says, "Don't take it from me." So civil war is inevitable in my lifetime. I would not be surprised off we did something stupid with Iran in the near future,, regardless of how unpopular it would be. That's just what we do. It's who we are. Old habits die hard....
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Post by glowplug on Oct 20, 2011 8:05:36 GMT -5
ses,
The men in dually pickups produce far more than those Turd Worlders driving ToyOduhs. The rest of the world envys US grain yields, livestock sectors, but they'll remain inefficient, unsanitary, for many reasons, mostly politicial.
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Post by thirsty on Oct 20, 2011 17:10:04 GMT -5
Sitting at the Railroad Crossing today half ass switched on, got about half way through the train and said to myself, "Self, there seems to be a shitload of tanker cars in this train headed west." Looked down the spur line, there was another train waiting to roll with another 70-80% of the train cars being tankers. Went by the terminal, tanker cars lining up for filling. Got home, BNN talking about oil/nat gas terminals getting built out on the coast-Kitimat/Prince Rupert. Looked up that imports/exports data, noticed 'other oils' was way down. Wonder if the tarsand boys finally figured out they were selling their product into the only market glut on the planet-WTI??? www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=W_EPPO6_IM0_NUS-Z00_MBBLD&f=WOh yeah, got four phone calls for projects today. Rush hour is a headache. If this is a recession I don't know....
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Post by looter on Oct 21, 2011 6:34:56 GMT -5
I assume your prediction of "crude with a five in front of it" just went out the window. It won't be long, maybe before the election, when the fool in charge will place a huge export tax on crude. BTW you guy's thoughts of stockpiling for war is a bit disturbing. Might be stockpiled for civil war. IMO things are going to get pucking ugly. US citizens won't willingly give up their "one man driving a dually pickup" while the rest of the world piles fifteen people in the back of a Toyota ,without a fight. Ya I drive a dully pickup..... Sparingly. It's always hooked to a trailer. As long as I'm pulling hay/cattle I'm adding value to the scarce fuel and I'm actually tough to beat for efficiency. Not so much when I'm jockeying horses around to shoots. That era is gonna end soon. People dragging snowmobiles out to the Bighorns are competing for finite fuel against people who load entire families onto scooters. A semi loaded with diapers driving coast to coast competes against an Asian train for dwindling diesel fuel supplies. Who can bid more? You are right SES, Americans think our way of life is, as Cheney put it, non-negotiable. We love our wars, and I see no will to adopt from the status quo of "Burn-n-Bomb". (Burn fuel n bomb for it)
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Post by glowplug on Oct 21, 2011 6:57:01 GMT -5
"people who load entire families onto scooters."
---------------------The most productive nation on earth is supposed to go on a guilt trip because some Turd World nation (many choosing a fake moon god allah religion where getting ahead is discouraged) opts to live under their oppressive dictator? Let them overthrow the dictator and adopt the capitalist culture.
I drive a 4X4 F-350 7.3 diesel pickup that gets 20 mpg. running empty. When the truck is loaded, I give a rat's rectum on mpg cause the truck is working for a living. And if I ever see a Armpitistan family running their scooter on my road, I'll run them off into the ditch.......
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Post by Grainbelt on Oct 21, 2011 7:09:30 GMT -5
So your "real moon god" religion tells you to run families worse off than you into the ditch if they are in your way??? Classy.
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Post by 420 on Oct 21, 2011 8:46:35 GMT -5
ses, The men in dually pickups produce far more than those Turd Worlders driving ToyOduhs. The rest of the world envys US grain yields, livestock sectors, but they'll remain inefficient, unsanitary, for many reasons, mostly politicial. GLOBAMA,you are more effecient cause you have the fuel resources to run your dually and your tractors and combine,when your war machine takes all the oil to make war,we will see how efficient you are with a hoe ,planting you tripple stack 1 kernal at a time.
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Post by sandbox on Oct 21, 2011 10:31:25 GMT -5
"people who load entire families onto scooters." ---------------------The most productive nation on earth is supposed to go on a guilt trip because some Turd World nation (many choosing a fake moon god allah religion where getting ahead is discouraged) opts to live under their oppressive dictator? Let them overthrow the dictator and adopt the capitalist culture. I drive a 4X4 F-350 7.3 diesel pickup that gets 20 mpg. running empty. When the truck is loaded, I give a rat's rectum on mpg cause the truck is working for a living. And if I ever see a Armpitistan family running their scooter on my road, I'll run them off into the ditch....... No guilt trips required. You won't be able to afford the fuel for a guilt trip. ;D I drive some worn-out 4x4s as well. It is fun. However I will acknowledge that I am competing against lotsa folks who drive scooters. A $2.50/gal rise in gasoline costs me an additional $0.16/mile. A dude with a Honda scooter shells out an additional $0.03 to $.05 per mile. I have to be pretty productive to keep up with him. So far so good but.....
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Post by looter on Oct 21, 2011 21:52:09 GMT -5
The most productive nation on earth is supposed to go on a guilt trip because some Turd World nation (many choosing a fake moon god allah religion where getting ahead is discouraged) opts to live under their oppressive dictator? The most productive nation on earth??? Now who would that be? There are 191 sovereign states in the world. The USA is 191st at being productive. Here ya go; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_current_account_balanceEvidently America's "Starbuck's Economy" = Epic Fail. This is why we are going to become as much of a net-exporter of oil as we already are a net-exporter of coal. Energy will flow from the least efficient (America) to the most efficient (Germany/Asia). What's been going on will continue to go on. The nutty folks who bemoaned how things looked when America imported 10 mbpd of liquid fuel will become aghast at what they see once we are net-exporters. (NYC will = Mexico City)
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Post by ses on Oct 21, 2011 21:59:46 GMT -5
It's so bazaar looking at these things like Looter just put up. After the cold war ended and Russia collapsed lots of folks in the US were crowing about how we won the war. Russia's economy collapsed and that was the end of the big bad Bear. Now just a few decades later they can buy and sell the US. Freaking pathetic.
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Post by glowplug on Oct 21, 2011 23:37:52 GMT -5
ses,
We haven't had a real leader since President Reagan.
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Post by looter on Oct 22, 2011 5:17:48 GMT -5
So far the data for 2011 has GLOBAL WORLDWIDE crude plus plus lease condensate running 73.5 MBPD. That's 1 mbpd below the Peak set in 2005. (Remember good ol' 2005? When $45 oil was "expensive". Aww the good ol' days.) Here's the data from US Energy Agency; www.eia.gov/cfapps/ipdbproject/IEDIndex3.cfm?tid=5&pid=53&aid=1Not only that but today's oil is heavier. It's more sour. It's less efficient to refine. It comes from places we wouldn't think of bothering with back when we used to produce so much more of it. To top it off, the 2005 crude oil production record was done with on a WORLDWIDE basis an astonishing THIRD LESS DRILLING RIGS!!!! So let's review what Peak Oil did to the economy since the 2005 zenith in production; 1) Financial meltdown. Check. 2) Riots and protests all over the world. Check. 3) US govt takeover of auto sector. Check. 4) Riots/protests in WI. Check. 5) US Govt takeover in banking sector. Check. 6) gold bull market. Check. 7) housing market crash. Check. 8) election of leftists to feed all the unemployed. Check. 9) the end of the American Dream. Check. 10) the complete and total ignore-ance of the singular cause of it all. Check. Our economy is like a baby, it needs growth to survive. You can't repay debt without growth. You can't make interest payments while contracting. You can't fund retirement without growth. You can't maintain roads or much else when the supply of energy is out of reach. The thing that amazes me is that the 2005 crude plus condensate record isn't talked about. It's not brought up by the left. It's ignored by the right. The financial media won't touch it. What gives? Why all the promise to a return of growth in the suburban housing sector? I guess a lot of people made a living on growth in subdivisions outside of metro-plexes. It's sucked since oil peaked. What's gonna change the suckiness now?
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Post by Grainbelt on Oct 22, 2011 8:37:59 GMT -5
ses, We haven't had a real leader since President Reagan. This is your problem Plug, you are no different than the meth addicted, welfare recipient, inner city, single mother who is waiting for someone else to fix the situation she finds herself in.....you moan and cry wanting a Pol or a "leader" to fix all the ills of a nation. All your social and political engineering can't change reality. You have to be willing to be ultra efficient and compete in order to prosper and improve the situation you find yourself in but no one on either the left or the right will publicly face up to this fact. We keep throwing nonsensical solutions out that appease the "Oprah crowd" as well as the "Rush and O'Reilly crowds" None of the BS will work in the end. Trade barriers, tariffs, minimum wage laws, extended unemployment benefits, federal energy mandates, subsidies to one party or another, HUGE military expenditures.......all they do is make you less competitive, inefficient, misallocate capital, and lower your long term standards of living. We don't need leaders......We need pols to get the hell out of the way and let the successful succeed, and allow others to fail, so they can get up off the floor and get on to succeeding. Ronald Reagan a great leader my a$$, he kept right on a spending like everyone before and after him.
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